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Saturday, October 1, 2011

With Special Guest Star, Michael Fumento

Well, that was quick.  After we discussed Michael Fumento’s indictment of Hollywood, as viewed through the prism of the Bruce Willis actioner Live Free Or Die Hard (Although You’d Die Much Harder If You Were Being Killed By An Arab), the author himself took note of our modest effort in a post entitled Anti-Terrorism Equals Racism.  As he was kind enough to also visit our comments, I thought I would post and then address his response here:
Because I say an actor is “Arabic-looking” I’m a racist?

1. The point is that this was part of bending over backwards not to implicate Muslim terrorists.

2. Arabs are Caucasian, like me.

3. The actor in question actually played an Arab in a previous movie, Three Kings.

This accusation represents the combined intelligence of the original blogger and his idiot acolytes. I’ll bet you all split a gut laughing when those Twin Towers fell.
Hey Michael, it’s lucky you dropped by, because today is “All About Context Day.”  (Although yesterday was “Anything Can Happen Day,” which is fun too.)
Because I say an actor is “Arabic-looking” I’m a racist?
While it’s certainly an odd thing to complain about, it doesn’t necessarily make you a racist.  Until one considers it in context:
Meanwhile one of the few good guys in the movie, the head of the FBI team that aids our hero John McCain[sic], looks decidedly Arabic.
Since you’re disappointed that the terrorists aren’t Arabs, and irked that one of the heroes is “Arabic-looking,” that does seem to suggest that you prefer your Arabs on the business end of an RPG.
1. The point is that this was part of bending over backwards not to implicate Muslim terrorists.
Just as I wouldn’t necessarily care to read Roger Ebert’s comments on anti-terrorism policy, it appears that a person with your particular interests is equally out of his depth when attempting rudimentary film analysis.

Spoilers ahead.

The Die Hard franchise started off with one gimmick (big action picture confined to a single building) and one reveal (the bad guys are actually thieves pretending to be terrorists to confuse the authorities).  The second film (Die Hard 2:  Die Harder) involved a still-confined, but larger setting (an airport) and mercenaries who conspire to free a Noriega-like drug-running South American strongman (a relatively topical villain for 1990).  The third film (Die Hard With A Vengeance) throws out the limited location gimmick, dragging the hero all over the city of New York, but brings back the phony terrorists — in this case, a villain who unleashes a reign of terror, ostensibly in revenge for John McClane (not McCain, btw) killing his brother in the first film, all of which is designed to distract the police from a gold heist.  In only one of the films (Die Hard 2) do the bad guys have even the slightest political motivation for their crimes, and even there it’s made apparent that most of the soldiers are in it for the money.

The current film is based on a Wired magazine piece about the vulnerability of America to a massive cyber-attack.  The villains could have been Arabs I suppose, but again, terrorism was used as a red herring to conceal the grandest of grand thefts.  And given that you’re irritated by an “Arabic-looking” actor playing a high ranking FBI official, surely you wouldn’t be any happier to see one in charge of Homeland Security.  Besides — and correct me if I’m wrong — you’re looking for wild-eyed kaffiyeh-wearing terrorists setting off bombs and brandishing AK-47s, not tapping away on their laptops.
2. Arabs are Caucasian, like me.
I agree that’s a relevant point, or would be if you’d written, “Meanwhile one of the few good guys in the movie, the head of the FBI team that aids our hero John McCain, looks decidedly Caucasian.”
3. The actor in question actually played an Arab in a previous movie, Three Kings.
He’s also played a Maori, his actual ethnicity, as well as Hispanics, Italians, and a guy named “Mort Whitman.”  But like Rick and Ilsa will always have Paris, it’s clear that whenever you see Cliff Curtis, no matter what character he plays, you’ll always see an Arab.  And while we’re on the subject, Anthony Quinn, who was Mexican, played an Arab in Lawrence of Arabia, then tried passing himself off as a Greek islander in Zorba the Greek, and a Russian in Shoes of the Fisherman!  I don’t know where he got the nerve, but these terrorists are very cunning.
This accusation represents the combined intelligence of the original blogger and his idiot acolytes. I’ll bet you all split a gut laughing when those Twin Towers fell.
I don’t personally go in for acolytes, but if you’re referring to the people who are kind enough to read and comment on this site, they are not only smart, humane, and remarkably well-informed, they’re not afflicted with the same kind of blinkered, obsessive hatred that allows you to use the tragedy of 9/11 as punchline, in a petty disagreement over a movie.


57 Responses to “With Special Guest Star, Michael Fumento”

My comment isn’t going to be all that witty, acerbic or intelligent, but I do have to respond:
if you’re referring to the people who are kind enough to read and comment on this site, they are not only smart, humane, and remarkably well-informed, they’re not afflicted with the same kind of blinkered, obsessive hatred that allows you to use the tragedy of 9/11 as punchline, in a petty disagreement over a movie.
Ooooh, SNAP!
“I’ll bet you all split a gut laughing when those Twin Towers fell.”
The hell? Whats wrong with this guy?
Also “aptly named World O’ Crap” wasn’t funny the first hundred (or however many) times, it’s not funny now.
Yeah, I split a gut. I was standing on the street watching the last tower fall, and the fact that my city (which I, unlike, um, you fuckers, haven’t been hating on since I was old enough to channel my inadequacies into hostility against people who I suspect might be enjoying themselves more than I am) was attacked and the ashes of my fellow citizens were dropping in my hair amused the shit out of me.
The entire seven hours I stood in line to give blood I keep thinking how funny it was.
Of course, the part where I texted a friend in England and had him call my mom to let her know we were all alive because I couldn’t get a line out and then she got hysterical was really fucking amusing too. Just not as funny as the dead people.
Of course, it all paled next to the laugh-out-loud panty-wetting humor of having to explain to my child why somebody would do that, and why the elementary school children whose families hailed from the middle east and south asia were so terrified that they were screaming and refusing to let go of their mothers outside of her school when it reopened.
(In order, because they thought God liked them better and outsourced the smiting thing, and because an awful lot of vengeance-seeking ignorant wingnut assholes here think God likes them better and outsourced the smiting thing to them)
A fucking movie?
How dare you, you pathetic little piece of shit.
Holy God, I knew Fumento was an asshole, but Jesus, I didn’t realize how much of an asshole until his last line. That is just loathsome. There are people here, Michael, who lost friends and family to that attack, and to suggest that anyone here finds that a cause for glee is borderline sociopathic. Further, there are people here who’ve lost friends and family to the war in Iraq which has made further attacks more, not less, likely.
Do you really think we’re so goddamned inhuman as to find any of that cause for celebration? Do you really think, just because we think your movie review was lame, that we’re so goddamned inhuman that we celebrate the murder of anyone, whether we knew them or not?
Because we disagree with you over a fucking movie?? No wonder you’re so upset about Die Hard. You can’t tell the difference between reality and propaganda. “They disagree with me, therefore they must hate everything good and love everything evil!” That’s an adult thought process.
Jesus, what a mewling little emotionally stunted sack of pathologies you are. You’re Ann Coulter without the class. Your mom must be so proud.
“The point is that this was part of bending over backwards not to implicate Muslim terrorists.”
Not only that the scripwriters bent over backwards NOT to implicate ETA (Catholic) the Real IRA (Catholic), The Tamil Tigers (no idea!), The Lord’s Army (Catholic), FARC (Catholic), the UDF (Protestant)the Rebel Alliance (Jedi) or the Decepticons (WD-40) in a work of fiction with the socio-political depth of mylar–or a ‘Fumento’.
And btw, ditto Julia and D.Sidhe.
Scott, you should feel proud that Fumento has graced WoC with his presence. For more Fumento hijinx, visit Tim Lambert’s site, http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/.
I would love to see the premises that got Fumento from “Some people disagree with me” to “These people are amused by terrorism.”
:::Bows to Scott and Julia for the most prescient, most precise, absofuckinglutely PERFECT bitch-slaps ever delivered via Teh Internets.:::
Also, major acolyte-style props to D.Sidhe for these lines:
“Jesus, what a mewling little emotionally stunted sack of pathologies you are. You’re Ann Coulter without the class. Your mom must be so proud.”
What in the fuck could I possibly add to that?
Oh, wait:
“…a work of fiction with the socio-political depth of mylar…”
I might steal that one, Britisher.
The final, irritating thing about creeps like Fumento is the utter ease with which they pull out 9/11, cheapening it through constant use. Some idiot sets himself and his car on fire in Scotland? IT’S 9/11 AGAIN!! [no, it isn't] Morons come up with a wildly unrealistic plan to blow up Kennedy airport. IT’S 9/11 AGAIN!! [um... excuse me?] After the London subway bombing, unsourced reports indicate that packages on NYC subways might contain bombs, though none are found in any parcels searched. IT’S 9/11 AGAIN!! {sorry] A bear shits in the woods. IT’S 9/11 AGAIN!! [WRONG!!1! WRONGWRONGWRONG!!!1!!one!!! WHAT THE HELL IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE‽‽‽‽]
Uh, my point being that at the rate dickweeds like Fumento are reprehensibly cheapening 9/11 by plastering it all over any-and-everything, before you know it, tacky used car dealers will be having “tower-smashing good deals” on “9/11 Day.” Let’s at least try to prevent such atrocities from occurring until after our own deaths, shall we?
Hmmm. Just visited Fumento’s blog and he appears to have sanitized his post and corrected his McCain blooper. Vewy vewy quietly, I note, and I exhibit no suhpwise whatsoevah.
Brilliant comments, y’all.
“The final, irritating thing about creeps like Fumento is the utter ease with which they pull out 9/11, cheapening it through constant use. Some idiot sets himself and his car on fire in Scotland? IT’S 9/11 AGAIN!! [no, it isn’t] Morons come up with a wildly unrealistic plan to blow up Kennedy airport. IT’S 9/11 AGAIN!! [um… excuse me?] After the London subway bombing, unsourced reports indicate that packages on NYC subways might contain bombs, though none are found in any parcels searched. IT’S 9/11 AGAIN!! {sorry] A bear shits in the woods. IT’S 9/11 AGAIN!! [WRONG!!1! WRONGWRONGWRONG!!!1!!one!!! WHAT THE HELL IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE‽‽‽‽]
Left by Marq on July 10th, 2007″
That’s all they can do now. Keep trying to scare everyone with the same bogeyman over and over again. “Now is no time to be debating! IT’S 911 ALL OVER AGAIN!!! You can’t question us, UNLESS YOU WANT IT TO BE 911 ALL OVER AGAIN!!! If we weren’t here looking out for you, WHO KNOWS HOW MANY 911S THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN!!!!”
Thank God this trick is starting to lose it’s effectiveness. A few years to late perhaps, but still better than never…
Annti… “steal” away, though perhaps ‘nematode’ instead of ‘mylar’ (mylar is actually quite useful stuff).
I love you all.
Hey, I was only half-Mexican. My father was an Irishman who moved to Mexico to fight with Villa.
Mexican + Irishman = ultimate sexual dynamo, baby. I was impregnating young women into my 70′s.
Scott, for once I find myself with nothing to add.
Bravo!
Just going back to the original point, which is that there was a vaguely Muslim-looking guy who was A GOOD GUY…well, I interpreted that as being intentional on behalf of the filmmakers–part of the _Die Hard_ tradition of making it look like you know who the bad guys are (terrorists/soldiers/revenge-crazy-villains) while really just being a misdirection.
I feel like they know that audiences would see someone swarthy and think, “Well, he _might_ turn out to be the villain. Can’t trust him!”
That doesn’t excuse Fumento from being really the biggest douchebag on the Internet this week for his comment in the previous post.
Of course, I might be prejudiced, LIVING IN FUCKING NEW YORK CITY AND NOT ENJOYING TERRORISM!
Oh, wait, I can add something…
Wait until Fumento gets a load of Curtis’ next project!
Crossing Over
I swear, he’s going to have a boner for a lot longer than the prescribed four hours for Levitra…he plays a Muslim illegal alien!
Well, I must commend Mr. Fumento for his quick response to e-mails. Not that it contained anything especially responsive.
******
—– Original Message —–
From: “[Larkspur]”
To: “Michael Fumento”
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:51 AM
Subject: Busting a gut at mass murder
Dear Mr. Fumento:
I hope you will return to World o’ Crap to read the blog response (and its comments) to your “Anti-Terrorism Equals Racism” post.
I also wish you had integrity enough to note in your blog whenever you delete previously-published portions of your posts and when you correct misstatements and misspellings. That’s what honorable bloggers do. Shame on you.
[Larkspur]
From: “Michael Fumento”
To: “[Larkspur]”
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:41:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Busting a gut at mass murder
Dear [Larkspur]:
The World of Crap is exactly what its name implies and isn’t worth responding to and neither are you. And that will be the day I take lessons on “honor” from the likes of you.
*****
(End of exchange)
Note: The changes I made to the text of this exchange include replacing my real name with “Larkspur”, redacting my e-mail address (which is of course always available to W o’ C proprietors), and redacting the e-mail address from which Fumento replied. (The pobox.com is listed at his website, but the other is not.)
And yet I am still curious about two things:
1. How does he justify sanitizing his posts?
2. What, exactly, is “the day” when he will take lessons on “honor” from the likes of me? When hell freezes over? When donkeys fly? It’s awfully vague. But points to him for using “the likes of you” instead of “your ilk”.
And whats the deal with every Roman or Greek in the movies having a fucking British accent?!?! And the execption? Gladiator, an Aussie!
Larkspur, the hell with him. He’s not going to take lessons on honor from anybody, mostly because it’d require so much of them it’d eat into the time he needs for film crit.
He’s also not going to take lessons on humor from anybody, which is almost a bigger shame. If he had a sense of humor, he’d have acknowledged the “John McCain” thing with a joke instead of pretending he wasn’t wrong. If he was smarter, he’d pretend he meant to do it.
Instead, he’s just displayed, like after his little “gotcha” here anybody needed more evidence, that he’s got the integrity and wit of duckweed. Pathetic.
May I just add that you people are too kind, seeing as how we all know who it was who was actually celebrating when the towers fell.
don’t even get started on Alfred Molina’s career!
Wow. I don’t think I could add anything of value after that post and these comments…
Oh, wait!
The Tamil Tigers (no idea!),
Hindu! (Yay, I contributed something!)
Well, dammit, Doghouse, I think that D. Sidhe kinda set the fucking bar on this one — if you wanna rip this numbnut mouth-breathing fucktard a new asshole, please feel free!
“Too kind,” my wide, white, gelatinous, tattooed ass…
D. Sidhe,
At the risk of pissing our hosts off, film critics have honour?
Hm. I’m guessing Peter Travers missed that lecture in college…
This is as OT as can be, but I send this comment, and the past few, direct to y’all from my hospital bed – they have free wi-fi internet access throughout the facility, and my dad brought my my trusty Macbook. Anyhoo, I’ve been in here since Sunday, when a potassium imbalance caused my heart to slow below 20 beats-per-minute, which is not good. At the time, I couldn’t even sit up on my own, and was having great difficulty breathing. I’ve substantially improved, and should be going home later today – huzzah! The bad news is a cardiologist is predicting surgery in the not-too-distant future, and I hate surgery. Bah, humbug.
By the way, Fumento sent over one of his kneeling masses to the original thread. Y’all might want to point out some errors in his logic.
And, oh yeah–I hate hospitals!one!!1!!
Furthermore, this only increases my desire to run out and see “SiCKO.”
Damn, Marq. I hope you’re out of there soon. Want us to bake a cake with a file in it? Enjoy the Jell-O, though, as long as it’s green. I never trusted that orange stuff.
Kidding, but take care of yourself. I smile whenever I see your name on a comment, and I get too few smiles in a day to lose that, okay? Surgery indeed sucks, as do hospitals, but they’re better than the alternatives. I’ll be thinking about you often in the next few days.
Sorry, lurker here. Is this the same Fumento that wrote “The myth of Heterosexual Aids”, way back?
does he still have any credibility left?
Marq,
I hope you’re up and around and feeling better soon. Also, if you wouldn’t mind, insist that they drive you home in the Oscar Mayer Weinermobile. It’s one sweet ride, and judging by my grandpa’s recent bills, they probably charge less for non-emergency medical transportation than most ambulance companies.
Sorry, lurker here. Is this the same Fumento that wrote “The myth of Heterosexual Aids”, way back?
Yep. Same guy.
does he still have any credibility left?
Nope. Especially when dealing with epidemiological data. Tim Lambert’s exchanges with Fumento provide an illuminating case study of hereditary inanity.
http://timlambert.org/category/fumento/
“He’s also played a Maori”
just for the record, he is Maori :-)
and to be pedantic, no one is “a Maori” they are simply “Maori”
have a nice day y-all
Yeah, like Julia, I’m a New Yorker and I laughed, too. You know what was funny, besides watching the towers fall? Finding out that you knew one or more of the victims. Fucking hysterical. And then the laughs just kept coming, even weeks later. Like reading the NY Times profiles of the dead, I spot the husband of an old girlfriend. It killed me. And then, while watching the TV showing pictures of victims, my present girlfriend shrieks with delight at seeing an old friend she lost touch with. Laugh riot.
You’re one lowlife fucker, Fumento. That, and what Julia, D. Sidhe and everyone else said.
Marq, I hope your time in the hospital is the minimum of time and your recuperation at home has the maximum of friends (2 and 4 legged) bringing some comfort your way. D. Sidhe has it right….one just has to smile in anticipation and approval of all your comments.
Regards,
Gappie
Marq: sorry to hear your’re in the hospital. Do you have a room to yourself, or must you share with someone who watches FOX all day? While you’re there, ask a nurse why don’t hospitals use fitted sheets which will STAY on the mattress? I always mean to, but when I’m in the hosp. I forget.
The World of Crap is exactly what its name implies and isn’t worth responding to and neither are you
But you just did, you moron.
Money, Kathy. Flat sheets are cheaper. You don’t need to match the set to do a bed, you can just grab two off the pile. With fitted sheets, the elastic wears out soonest and you’re stuck with a huge pile of flat sheets and no fitted sheets. Flat sheets also take less time to fold and organize, and are cheaper to buy, and take a good deal more bleach and abuse in the wash.
That said, if your staff isn’t rushed-to-the-point-of-panic and overworked-to-the-point-of-exhaustion, it’s possible to put them on a bed so they stay. But that would require more staff…
The World of Crap is exactly what its name implies and isn’t worth responding to and neither are you
But you just did, you moron
How much longer till Tracy Spenser shows up to defend Fumento? Any bets?
MARQ!!!
Dammit, man, you could WARN people that you’re planning on almost-dying!
Sheesh. Aside from the already well-put wishes for a quick and painless (well, as painful as possible) recovery, I also hope that once safely returned to your lair, that you are not set-upon by “well-meaning” relatives who will rearrange your entire house and talk your face off as you’re trying to rest. We all have ‘em, but they won’t let us shoot ‘em.
Uma the Homicidal Hamster sends squeaks of goodwill, presumabley for a hale and hearty recovery, unless she just wants to keep you alive long enough to eat you herself. (Only vultures and possums like rancid meat, yes?)
So get your shit together and report back here, post-haste, bucko. We need the snark and you always deliver.
that he’s got the integrity and wit of duckweed. Pathetic.
Left by D. Sidhe
shouldn’t that be “dickweed?”
and a speedy recovery to you, Marq. make sure they prescribe all the meds you want. (you don’t have to take them, but it’s nice knowing they’re there if you need them at 3AM)
Well, I’ve been back home since 7pm yesterday, though I’ve spent much of that asleep, since hospitals never let me get more than an hour of contiguous sleep before waking me up to draw blood or sumthin’. Anywaym thanx to everybody for well-wishes, and now I’ll answer some questions.
Dammit, man, you could WARN people that you’re planning on almost-dying!
I only “almost die” about quarterly, so I’m all caught up until fall… unless I put in a special encore appearance!
Do you have a room to yourself, or must you share with someone who watches FOX all day?
(D. Sidhe answered the sheet question far more eloquently than I could have) I had a little case of MRSA on my shoulder in ’04, and since then I get full isolation protocalls – including a private room – whenever I’m in, even though the MRSA was cured in ’04 or I’d presently be dead. So, former disease can be your friend, though the gowns, masks, and gloves everyone wears are a bit humiliating.
Marq, I hope your time in the hospital is the minimum of time and your recuperation at home has the maximum of friends (2 and 4 legged) bringing some comfort your way.
My labrador nearly chopped down a table leg with his mighty tail wags when I got home, and smothered me with dog-kisses, so yeah.
make sure they prescribe all the meds you want
Since I wasn’t in much pain this time to sprak of, sadly, no opiates this time! Boo!
Also, if you wouldn’t mind, insist that they drive you home in the Oscar Mayer Weinermobile. It’s one sweet ride, and judging by my grandpa’s recent bills, they probably charge less for non-emergency medical transportation than most ambulance companies.
Too late, scott. I went in with paramedics, and thus an ambulrence (and with good reason), but went home with my 79-year-old dad, who since his heart bypass in ’05 has been much healthier than me. He’s a cheaper ride than the wienermobile. since he uses my car. ;)
Enjoy the Jell-O, though, as long as it’s green. I never trusted that orange stuff.
Oh, I lurve teh hospital Jello®, whether it’s green, or red, or yellow. I eat it all! Yum!
And, yes, it is “dickweed!” :)
I’d like to add my wish for a speedy recovery for Marq. Hospitals suck, especially if you have to stay in one (as opposed to just visiting.)
As for Fumento’s pea-brained remark about the WTC, everybody’s already had better responses than I could come up with. All I can say is:
Imagine a pile of Jonah Goldberg’s skidmarked underpants and Michelle Malkin’s used tampons, soaked in Ann Coulter’s flop-sweat and sprinkled with skin flakes from Rush Limbaugh’s chafing thighs. Buried at the very bottom of that pile…is Michael Fumento’s soul.
Dammit, Bill, you’re gonna make Marq sick again.
Glad you’re home, buddy. We worry. Also, now you can have whatever Jell-O colors you like. Maybe you can get someone to make Jigglers for you. Hospitals are just no damned fun about stuff like that.
The interesting thing is, though, while Fumento’s minion argues forlornly in the other thread that people who said “fuck” in response to Fumento’s bizarre screech are too profane to be taken seriously, the man himself hasn’t bothered. I’d like to hope, personally, that julia’s fury layered just a little shame onto his fetid psyche. Because if believing that shit he said isn’t sin, I don’t know what is.
For the record, Annti, what I meant (and probably didn’t say very well; time is pressing of late) is that while Julia, D. Sidhe, et. al., annihilated Fumento’s 9/11 comment they did so with rational–if fiery–argument. This is perhaps inevitable, given that they’re thoughtful people, and I bow to them as deeply as my ancient back allows. But what’s really deserved as this point, when the battle cry of the safely stateside warflogger echoes across the empty spaces of a “war” on “terror” no one can possibly believe in any more, where support cynically trades yet more wasted lives in exchange for partisan advantage and a foolish hope of not being proven wrong, deluded, and disingenuous, is to call this what it is: projection. It wasn’t a liberal on teevee on 9/12 calling his political opponents “Fifth Columnists”, it was Andrew Sullivan. It wasn’t the Gore administration that fixed the intelligence, or blamed the CIA afterwards, or outed an agent for political spite. I’m sure Mr. Fumento did not “bust a gut” as the Towers fell. But I wouldn’t be surprised to learn he started making political calculations before the dust settled, just like that corpse of an administration he still insists can be resuscitated.
Oh, and best wishes Marq. You’re in our thoughts.
Here’s a story about five guys who really did bust a gut over the 9/11 attacks:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0622-05.htm
Some have suggested K Rove busted one also, but that’s just idle speculation.
Doghouse, honey, I was yankin’ yer chain. Although I really don’t see how anyone could be “too kind” to a piece of colonic detrius like this Fumento fart-in-a-bag. But thanks, as always, for the very thoughtful response. I still think that D. Sidhe set the bar pretty high on this thread, though — I’m right proud of ‘er, too!
Bill — on the one hand, I am very proud of your achievement of far-flung disgusting imagery, to a degree which few have mastered. On the other — you know what comes next. Get the bleach, meet me out back of the Chuck E. Cheese, and wear pants with an elastic waistband.
AND WELCOME HOME, MARQ!!!!!!!
Try not to let the dog slobber on the Jell-O — if you had gotten any good drugs, no, you wouldn’t care, but obviously, you are too prescient to not notice.
“Get the bleach, meet me out back of the Chuck E. Cheese, and wear pants with an elastic wasteband.”
I’d be frightened, if I actually understood that.
I’m frightened that I do!
The dog mostly pesters me when I’m eating something in the meat/cheese categories, but he’s polite. He keeps bacl a court-mandated three paces, untill he is either offered the plate to lick off upon finishing, or a piece of food during the meal. Yes, I instill bad behavior in him. But he’s soooooooooo cuuuuuuuuuuute!!1!!
Marq, Marq, Marq. If you don’t teach them, they’ll NEVER LEARN (which also goes with the Chuck E. Cheese line…)!!! I trained my cats, over the 6 years that they lived with me (they’ve resided with THEM, Teh Fallen Uterus and Her Dick, since I lost my house in ’03 and did the road trips all over the country, trying to find a job, HA!) to NEVER EVER BEG. My cats were raised with MANNERS. They knew, if they were going to get any leftovers, that they would be deposited into their food dishes, AFTER I was finished, and that begging and nagging and gnawing & slobbering on me whilst I tried to digest was NOT going to help their situation.
Then as soon as they move in with THEM, it’s all shot to hell. The Boy gets up ONTO THE COUCH next to me, while I’m eating, and repeatedly slaps my leg in lieu of actually drooling on me. Biddy stays on the floor, but she grumbles & cusses under her breath until I’m tempted to smother her with a pillow.
Tsk, tsk, tsk. It’s bad enough that some of us have our critters’ manners ruined by others, but to do it to your critters YOURSELF… tsk, tsk, tsk…
AND BILL S., DARLING — puh-huh-huh-huh-LLLEEEEEAZZZZE!!!!!!
Don’t play all innocent with us, don’t try to make like you don’t know what that meant… And don’t make me break-out the old bondage gear, I’m too creaky & stiff my damned self, nevermind the leather!
I kick Michael Fumentos ass.
Well done, Actor-Boy! (Or were you aiming more at “Super-Actor, tah-dah-ta-daaahhhhh!!!”?)
Hehehehehehehe

The Savage Weiner

In using his secret decoder ring to interpret the latest Pastor Swank message (“Muslim murders global drink more Ovaltine made from womb babies in outrageous macabre”), Gavin at Sadly, No! has the courage to ask the tough questions:
[W]hether teh international Muslim doKKKtor conspiratorzz drive to work in Oscar Mayer Wienermobiles. …That very well could be.
Sadly, yes!

Posted by scott on Monday, July 9th, 2007 at 5:29 pm.

5 Responses to “The Savage Weiner”
 
I actually got to ride in the Weinermobile one Mardi Gras. Bastids won’t let you smoke, though. Ironic?
I photographed the wienermobile participating in the ’04 Chicago Gay Pride Parade. That was the day irony died.
An Arizona Highway Patrol officer pulled over Oscar Mayer’s Wienermobile on Wednesday when its YUMMY license plates came up stolen, but the mix-up was soon sorted out and the famous hot dog was released.
“The officer quickly realized that it was not a ‘hot’ hot dog,” Oscar Mayer spokeswoman Syd Lindner told Meatingplace.com.
As it turns out, the plates were indeed stolen back in February in Columbia, Mo. The company obtained a replacement YUMMY plate that month and notified police in Missouri. However, when the Arizona officer ran the plate to make sure the 27-foot-long, 11-foot-tall hot dog on wheels was street legal, it still came back as stolen, with a note saying it was OK if found on the Weinermobile itself.
It’s not the first time the Wienermobile was in a pinch. “It’s been pulled over before,” Lindner said, though it’s usually just for fun and to take a closer look. “In this case, they were doing their job and looking out for our best interest,” she added.
The Wienermobile in question was one of six on the road for a promotion in which contestants sing the Oscar Mayer jingle for a chance to appear in a commercial and win “American Idol” tickets.
Marq, you gave me my first laugh of the day, and damned if it wasn’t loud.
Yes, Marq, great line.
The Wienermobile was parked near my sons’ preschool some years back, so by popular demand, I stopped nearby and unloaded my carpool to goggle at it. The first remark was, “They’re not kosher, though, you know.” Not bad for a four-year-old!
 

Nice Actor, But Does He Come In White?

Roy points us to this piece by Michael Fumento, who feels that Hollywood has failed in its responsibility to defend and propound American values, despite getting off to a strong start with films like Birth of a Nation and Race Suicide.
In 1942, Hollywood went to war. It began pumping out countless movies designed to be both entertaining and instructive as to the nature of our enemies. A lot of them were done on the cheap and others were pretty hokey, but they kept drilling home the message that we must persevere no matter the costs or how long it would take. Fast forward that reel to the post-9/11 era. Just how many movies can you count in which Islamist terrorists are the bad guys and that do not specifically concern the Sept. 11 attacks?
In the Second World War, America was united in the belief that we faced an existential threat, and this unanimity was largely due to a motion picture industry that was unafraid to put this powerful medium to use supporting the internment of citizens who were suspected of unAmerican sympathies or epicanthial folds.  If I may quote from the 1943 Columbia Pictures serial, The Batman:

“This was part of a foreign land, transplanted bodily to America and known as Little Tokyo.  Since a wise government rounded up the shifty-eyed Japs, it has become virtually a ghost street, where only one business survives.”

The business in question being the “Japanese Cave of Horror”, a carnival-like Tunnel of Love, except that it’s full of mannequins dressed as Imperial Japanese soldiers who are threatening Margaret Dumont with a bayonet.  The 12-episode serial went out of its way to highlight that America was under siege by an alien race, sprinkling the dialogue with references to “squint-eyes” and noting that one character’s craven actions made him as yellow “as the color of [his] skin.”

Most important of all is that this chapterplay was intended mostly for children, thus providing the kind of moral fiber in their formative years that these kids would later need to kill Asians in Korea and Vietnam.
Meanwhile – and this may be considered a spoiler, so if you haven’t seen the movie look out – the just-released fourth installment of the Die Hard series, Live Free or Die Hard, teaches us that just because there are some bad guys out to destroy America doesn’t mean they have to be bin Laden’s buddies.
In fact, it was the Department of Homeland Security that turns out to have been more or less responsible for the attack in the first place. Meanwhile one of the few good guys in the movie, the head of the FBI team that aids our hero John McCain[sic], looks decidedly Arabic.
This non-traditional casting fad is ruining the delicate suspension of disbelief so necessary to enjoying a summer action movie.  And the sad thing is, there was a time when Hollywood was scrupulous about depicting America’s racial minorities as certain easily-offended regions of the country perceived them to be, without distorting it through some colorblind lens.  Why, just imagine Coal Black and De Sebben Dwarves if they’d succumbed to PC pressure and drawn the characters as white!  It wouldn’t have made any sense at all!

I’m glad there are still a few brave souls who will hold Hollywood to account for implying that an FBI agent is Arabic by casting a New Zealander named Cliff Curtis and calling the character “Bowman.”
One of last year’s most critically-acclaimed films was the severely disjointed Babel in which what is treated as a terrorist shooting of an American woman in Morocco turns out to have been an accident. Heck, it wasn’t even an AK-47 involved but rather a Japanese hunter’s rifle.
While Fumento was clearly let down by the lack of a Kalashnikov-wielding terrorist in an esoteric art film, he should take heart from the fact that Hollywood is still warning Americans (or at least, American tourists in Morocco) about the insidious Japanese.  I mean, it’s been 67 years; that’s some serious drilling home.

Anyway, the writer and director were both Spanish, and you know how those Iberian nancyboys rolled bum-up for the Moors.
If I’m mistaken and there have been movies in which Islamists where the bad guys, please let me know.
Because boners don’t just happen.  A fella needs a little help.
In any event, where once Hollywood shored up a resolute but war-weary public (Everyone knew somebody who had been killed or maimed and they thought the war would last well into 1946 or beyond), Hollywood now feels its job is to assure us that with terrorism we have nothing to fear but fear itself. Even while traveling in countries with strong Islamist movements. Never mind that the week the new Die Hard came out there were two aborted terrorist attacks in Great Britain perpetrated by middle class Islamist physicians living as normal Britons – a truly scary scenario that’s right out of a movie like The Manchurian Candidate.
Which prompted these remarks from commenter Marlowe over at Matt Yglesias’ place:
The utter fatuous cluelesness of Fumento and his ilk is amusingly illustrated by his comment that the doctors suspected in the recent British terrorist plot was “a truly scary scenario that’s right out of a movie like The Manchurian Candidate.” As anyone with a functioning brain that has seen that classic film knows, the ultimate goal of the Chinese plot was to install James Gregory (playing a barely disguised version of Joe McCarthy controlled by his wife–Angela Lansbury as an icy Chicom mole) in the White House. In other words, the plotters were (correctly) aware that the best way to destroy the US was make sure it was led by a fear mongering arch-conservative. Of course, such people are incapable of detecting irony.
However, unaware that the batteries are dead in his irony detector, Fumento continues to wander over the beach, resolutely sweeping it back and forth:
One of the ironies is that you don’t even need to create fictitious Islamist villains; the real ones are so classically evil.
So classicially evil…so…so deliciously eeeevil!  (I’ve discovered that this column goes down a lot easier if you imagine it being read aloud by Caesar Romero playing the Joker.)
Look, you can’t live on the edge of your seat all the time in a war that could last a generation or far longer.
The Carthaginians tried it during the Second Punic War, and their legs went to sleep.
If we think we see a bomb in every backpack, the terrorists are winning.
Or at least the Bush Administration is.
But there’s got to be a happy medium. Hollywood doesn’t see it that way. A lot of people have suggested that, pathetically, it’s going to take another terrorist attack to wake us from our slumber.
Oh come on, nobody would be heartless, cynical, or just plain stupid enough to make a statement like that.
In his first interview as the chairman of the Arkansas Republican Party, Dennis Milligan told a reporter that America needs to be attacked by terrorists so that people will appreciate the work that President Bush has done to protect the country.
“At the end of the day, I believe fully the president is doing the right thing, and I think all we need is some attacks on American soil like we had on [Sept. 11, 2001],” Milligan said to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, “and the naysayers will come around very quickly to appreciate not only the commitment for President Bush, but the sacrifice that has been made by men and women to protect this country.”
Okay, my bad.  Hey, if any of you terrorists are currently working on Chairman Milligan’s Anti-Naysayer Plot, Fumento has a bit of operational advice:
Wouldn’t it be fitting if [the terrorist attack] were in a movie theater?
Ah, it looks like Michael finally replaced the batteries and found some irony over by the frozen banana stand.  It’s got some gum and sand stuck to it, but it’s still perfectly useable.

Posted by scott on Monday, July 9th, 2007 at 4:11 pm.

49 Responses to “Nice Actor, But Does He Come In White?”
 
So, “Arabic looking” protagonists are out. And there’s a lot of Muslims in Indonesia and Thailand and other Asian nations, so the “squint eyes” are out to. And just look at Somalia! So no Blacks. We white Americans must step up and courageously take all the heroic rolls in every movie made for the next few generations. Y’know, to be instructive on the nature of our enemies.
(sigh) Yet another embarrassingly clueless and racist white guy shooting his mouth off without the slightest hint of self awareness. Fumento wants a real war to be portrayed as some sort of cartoony good Vs. EEEEVVIIIILLL action flick. I like cartoons and action flicks, but at least I can tell the difference between them and reality.
Also:
“our hero John McCain”
No comment.
That isn’t sand-it’s particles of his brain leaking out of his ear…the biggest particles.
teaches us that just because there are some bad guys out to destroy America doesn’t mean they have to be bin Laden’s buddies.
That really is a remarkably unremarkable proposition, assuming you’re smarter than the rust rings the shaving gel can leaves on the side of the bathtub.
Once again, the enemy of my enemy is pretty often some asshole I want nothing to do with. Presumably bin Laden feels the same way about, say, the Christian Reconstruction movement or the lizard alien anti-tax cult or the Unabomber or Fred Phelps.
Because I say an actor is “Arabic-looking” I’m a racist?
1. The point is that this was part of bending over backwards not to implicate Muslim terrorists.
2. Arabs are Caucasian, like me.
3. The actor in question actually played an Arab in a previous movie, Three Kings.
This accusation represents the combined intelligence of the original blogger and his idiot acolytes. I’ll bet you all split a gut laughing when those Twin Towers fell.
Mr. Fumento: Am I racist pointing out your name is Japanese-ish? I bet you got a hard-on when the towers fell.
Mr. Fumento wrote:
“This accusation represents the combined intelligence of the original blogger and his idiot acolytes. I’ll bet you all split a gut laughing when those Twin Towers fell.”
Wow, what an utter shit-heel you are. That someone pays you to write drivel like this astounds me.
Y’know, one of the wartime films that came out of Hollywood was I Accuse My Parents. While it makes for a _great_ MST3K episode, it’s really not something I want to see churned out on a regular basis. The current onslaught of sequels and remakes is bad enough!
isn’t michael fumento the guy who was sacked by Scripps for taking undisclosed bribes from Monsanto to write pro-GM guff? He must be finding it difficult to get another job if he’s reduced to movie reviews.
A guy named fumento is caucasian? sure
and after his hardon went away he enlisted, right?
Hey, Fumento….did it ever occur to you, you know, maybe once, that the reason we don’t demonize our enemies anymore is precisely to avoid another World War?
What a doosh. There are billions of Muslims worldwide, mostly in Africa and Asia. A tiny fraction of a percent hated us before we invaded Iraq. Now, maybe it’s reached the single digit percentages with the atrocities and hegemonic stretch we’ve made.
And yet, here YOU are, advocating that we piss the rest of them off?
Idjit. Motherfucking idjit. You ought to be ashamed of yourself!
So cry me a river, build a bridge and get over yourself, asshole…
Hey, Fumento….did it ever occur to you, you know, maybe once, that the reason we don’t demonize our enemies anymore is precisely to avoid another World War?
While the point about demonizing any group of people is well taken, there is a wide gap between demonizing enemies (as when Bugs Bunny “Nipped the Nips” in WWII) and not bending over backwards to avoid depicting Islamic terrorists in movies in order to meet politically correct goals run amok.
Personally, I find it odd and intellectually insulting that Hollywood always makes terrorists Eastern Europeans or domestic government conspirators, etc.
And yet, here YOU are, advocating that we piss the rest of them off?
Strange to see anyone forfeit creative latitude or realism to nationalistic goal of avoiding “pissing some folks off,” specifically a diverse racial/religious mix of upwards of a couple billion people.
I do not advocate going out of one’s way to give offense, but going out of one’s way in the other direction gives up something rather important.
In the original post:
So classicially evil…so…so deliciously eeeevil!
Fumento actually has a very good point here. Terrorists are indeed classically, astoundingly evil, in terms that insulated westerners have trouble processing.
See here:
http://michaelyon-online.com/wp/bless-the-beasts-and-children.htm
and here:
http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/002955.php
It’s in our best interest to jettison moral relativism that either can’t recognize this or simply glosses over it.
Fumento is just another tough-talking neocon who is either too afraid or too busy to put his own ass and money on the line to fight the glorious war against the Islamofascist hoards. Did it ever occur to Fumento that although many of the “terr’ists” we see today appear to be either Arab, Muslim, or both, most Arabs and Muslims are not terrorists and don’t support the terrorists. Too many Americans already equate Arab and Muslim with terrorist. We don’t need Hollywood to further increase that kind of ignorance and bigotry. Fumento is a shit-heel (to borrow the term from Nick J. above).
What are these “countless movies” he’s talking about? The only Hollywood movies of 1942 about WW2 I can only think of are Casablanca and the Donald Duck short, “Der Fuhrer’s Face”.
And I’m sure the Fumento of that era was complaining that Hollywood was wasting time with films about boozy expatriot club owners and delirious cartoon ducks when it shuld have been showing things BOMBS AND KILLING.
ROFLMAO
And, although I’m sure it will condemn me to an afterlife on the 9th level digging sewer in hell, I just have to say that Mr. F’s picture on his bio reminds me of a zombie.
Lord knows he could use the brains.
My other comment is awaiting moderation, so I hope it will apppear shortly. In the meantime, regarding this:
Fumento is just another tough-talking neocon who is either too afraid or too busy to put his own ass and money on the line to fight the glorious war against the Islamofascist hoards.
In addition to having previously served in the Army, Fumento has done several media embeds in Iraq and Afghanistan, at least a couple of them in the most dangerous city in Iraq (at the time), Ramadi.
So your “chickenhawk” assessment is a bit off target in this case, in addition to the fundamental flaws of an argument that invalidates the opinion of anyone who does not serve in the military when commenting on war.
I’ll just repost my other comment, as there’s nothing offensive:
Hey, Fumento….did it ever occur to you, you know, maybe once, that the reason we don’t demonize our enemies anymore is precisely to avoid another World War?
While the point about demonizing any group of people is valid and well taken, there is a wide gap between demonizing enemies (as when Bugs Bunny “Nipped the Nips” in WWII) and not bending over backwards to avoid depicting Islamic terrorists in movies in order to meet politically correct goals run amok.
Personally, I find it odd and intellectually insulting that Hollywood always makes terrorists Eastern Europeans or domestic government conspirators, etc.
And yet, here YOU are, advocating that we piss the rest of them off?
Strange to see anyone forfeit creative latitude or realism to nationalistic goal of avoiding “pissing some folks off,” specifically a diverse racial/religious mix of upwards of a couple billion people.
I do not advocate going out of one’s way to give offense, but going out of one’s way in the other direction gives up something rather important.
In the original post:
So classicially evil…so…so deliciously eeeevil!
Fumento actually has a very good point here. Terrorists are indeed classically, astoundingly evil, in terms that insulated westerners have trouble processing.
See here:
http://michaelyon-online.com/wp/bless-the-beasts-and-children.htm
and here:
http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/002955.php
It’s in our best interest to jettison moral relativism that either can’t recognize this or simply glosses over it.
wonder who paid Mr. F to write this comment? K-R?
It’s in our best interest to jettison moral relativism that either can’t recognize this or simply glosses over it.
You know what Bill, you’re right. That’s why a semi-literate, wholly-ignorant scumbag like Fumento should either write the fucking movie or shut the fuck up.
Not enough hateful Arabs in movies for your tastes? First, that’s idiotic — seeing as how we were treated to United 93, a docudrama done not four years after the attacks, to say nothing of TWO haigiographies of GW’s amazing response to the attacks, and a slobbering celebration of FIVE YEARS of torture fantasies in 24. Plenty of bad Islamicists there, don’t you think.
And hell, we’ve had six straight years of fear-soaked media blathering about how they’re planning something big, how we’ve offed yet another #2 in Al Queda, the WoT and what not. The amount of fiction contained in these Pentagon Morality plays that air on CNN and FOX, reach the level of pure propaganda that has proven deicisively unpopular by the public at large. So again, where’s the beef? We’ve enjoyed six solid years of Islamicist demonization — and it’s still not playing in Peroria, is it?
So, relatively speaking, you think it’s more important for movies to convey that which armies of ‘thinkers’ like Fumento puke out every day? Or that the producers at FOX spin silly? Or the psychotic reactions of this administration? Somehow movies are the key to the people’s minds in the ways that saturation isn’t?
Morally relative indeed.
And Fumento — fuckface — if you’re still reading, while the Towers falling was for many of us who were there was as devestating a day as we’ll ever experience, why don’t you just admit it was the single best day of your life? That’s all you got, buddy. Fear. Hate. War. The only reason we’re at war is because of it. The only reason Bush is still president is still because of it. The only reason you have a ‘voice’ at all is because of it. It is the sum of your being. It’s how you approach art, it’s how you approach your thinking, it’s how you approach every day, filtered through its impact.
Wanna be a prick about how we ‘responded’ to being New Yorkers? Fine. Just live with the fact that 9/11 gave you meaning, and without it, you’d probably be beating up Mexicans instead. Shitheel.
Fumento actually has a very good point here. Terrorists are indeed classically, astoundingly evil, in terms that insulated westerners have trouble processing.
This is the kind of talking-out-of-one’s-ass that elevates any discussion of who Bruce Willis should pretend to shoot.
Jay. B.
Exactly.
You know what Bill, you’re right. That’s why a semi-literate, wholly-ignorant scumbag like Fumento should either write the fucking movie or shut the fuck up.
1. Fumento is objectively literate, so I’m confused by your classification.
2. So now people like Fumento, and by extension, me, are not merely CHICKENHAWKS, but also CHICKENMOVIECRITICS?!
Someone get Roger Ebert on the horn.
Not enough hateful Arabs in movies for your tastes?
That’s a loaded way to characterize any critique of the unrealistic depiction of terrorism in Hollywood. I’ve fought a tide of demonization of Muslims & Arabs from reactionary quarters on my blog for years now.
That position is not inconsistent with noting that Hollywood goes to laughable lengths to avoid making references to the global jihad while cranking out lots of fiction involving terrorism. It’s silly.
to say nothing of TWO haigiographies of GW’s amazing response to the attacks,
Bob Woodward’s books (which I assume you mean), whatever you think of them, are not a product of “Hollywood.” This shows that you’re scraping for examples here given the topic at hand.
and a slobbering celebration of FIVE YEARS of torture fantasies in 24. Plenty of bad Islamicists there, don’t you think.
I was actually struck by the plots laying trouble at the feet of “war for oil” and false flag terrorism in 24, myself. Though your point about the show overselling the utility of torture is probably correct.
And hell, we’ve had six straight years of fear-soaked media blathering about how they’re planning something big, how we’ve offed yet another #2 in Al Queda, the WoT and what not. The amount of fiction contained in these Pentagon Morality plays that air on CNN and FOX, reach the level of pure propaganda that has proven deicisively unpopular by the public at large. So again, where’s the beef? We’ve enjoyed six solid years of Islamicist demonization — and it’s still not playing in Peroria, is it?
Again, this is news coverage, noy Hollywood.
But addressing your point, I’m not sure how bombings in London, Bali, Madrid, attempted in London (not to mention Lebanon, Iraq, Israel, Beslan) again constitute some media conspiracy to prop up George Bush.
Sure, the media is open to criticism, has a reactionary herd mentality, uses thin speculation to fuel a 24-hour news cycle and beats stories into the ground – none of this means that if you personally close your eyes, terrorism is not nor has been an important issue rightfully garnering plenty of international coverage.
This is the world we live in, brother.
So, relatively speaking, you think it’s more important for movies to convey that which armies of ‘thinkers’ like Fumento puke out every day? Or that the producers at FOX spin silly? Or the psychotic reactions of this administration? Somehow movies are the key to the people’s minds in the ways that saturation isn’t?
No, I merely believe that Hollywood’s conscious scrubbing of purple elephant in the room is insulting to my intelligence. And in cases like Comedy Central censoring South Park’s brief depiction of Mohommed, cowardly.
BTW, your comments would be more effective if you cut back on the furious profanity.
This is the kind of talking-out-of-one’s-ass that elevates any discussion of who Bruce Willis should pretend to shoot.
Did you visit the links? Does it help my credibility that I’ve spoken to a man whose young son was lit on fire, or another man whose uncle had acid poured on his face before he was shot multiple times, finally left with a note stabbed to his chest? Or that I’ve seen an 8 year-old boy who was paid to shoot at marines on a suicide mission?
None of that may be difficult for you to process, but it was for me, as an insulated westerner who was raised in the safety of the US. I ask myself how people can be capable of such violence, and the answers do not come easy. The only conclusion I’m sure of is that some people are indeed “evil.”
Some of you guys really need to take a look at the anger and prejudgments you’re pouring out into politics. It’s possible to disagree with people and not swear at them, demonize them, or weirdly invalidate anything and everything they say.
Take it easy.
Did you visit the links? Does it help my credibility
No and no. What I was responding to was this:
Fumento actually has a very good point here. Terrorists are indeed classically, astoundingly evil, in terms that insulated westerners have trouble processing.
I’m sure there’s an extent to which you think such a paragraph has truth-value and meaning, but pointing out that terrorists – who have the word “terror” in their name if I read it correctly – are evil made me laugh. There’s more in that there paragraph that wants desillification or erasure, but why bother.
Take it easy.
Keep your bedsprings from rusting.
Bill,
I’ll see your moral relativism, and raise you the two white terrorists who burned down an abortion clinic on July 4th.
Where’s your messiah now, beeyatch?
Bill, seriously. You embarrassing yourself with your pseudo-intellectual tripe. It’s clear from your postings and from reading the links you posted that Jay’s comments about Fumento also apply to you.
Amazing. One man’s terrorist is another man’s crusader, and yet moral relativism is, um, wrong?
Understanding why things happen is not a bad thing, Billy. It’s the entire basis of Western thought, with the recent exception of the Republican party, who seem to want to pray problems go away.
“It’s possible to disagree with people and not swear at them, demonize them, or weirdly invalidate anything and everything they say.”
OK, now I’m busting that long-awaited gut admirably held in check since the fall of the Twin Towers, given the seven posts Bill devoted to defending that addlepated, cinematic authoritarian after his toxic comment.
Ortho_Bob:
It isn’t the glory days of the 1940s that the Fumentos want Hollywood to return to; it’s the glory days of the 1980s and films like Rambo and Red Dawn, which are the only examples of True American Art the Fumentos of this world will admit.
Red Dawn
Okay, this could be re-made with the Muslim hordes parachuting into town and the aghast townspeople looking up into the ballooning robes of their soon-to-be oppressors.
Ooh, people do bad things to each other. It’s a shocker, I know. Historically, human beings have never spent a significant amount of time conjuring up new cruel, vicious, inhuman ways to mutilate other humans to death. Pay no attention to those pesky history books, ‘cos that shit did not happen!!
[what the fuck is so "new" about "terrorism?"]
1. Fumento is objectively literate, so I’m confused by your classification.2. So now people like Fumento, and by extension, me, are not merely CHICKENHAWKS, but also CHICKENMOVIECRITICS?!
I said neither. But this is the game, see. It’s called the free market. If you don’t like the product, do it better. If it’s criticism, fine. But when the desire is not to judge the qualities of the movie, but the message it needs to convey to be thought of as ‘appropriate’ or ‘morally correct’, then make the damn thing. And at any rate, Ebert has Beyond the Valley of the Dolls, so he has my lifelong support.
That position is not inconsistent with noting that Hollywood goes to laughable lengths to avoid making references to the global jihad while cranking out lots of fiction involving terrorism. It’s silly.
And they made scores of movies during the Hayes Code about sex without showing or explicitly referring to it. I think people can get the gist. Besides, your premise is false. You said I was “scraping for examples here given the topic at hand” the last few years, we’ve had Munich, Syriana, United 93, Path to 9/11 (one of the aforementioned haiographies — not Bob Woodward’s books. It was produced by ABC, maybe you’ve heard of them — the other one was “DC 9/11: Time of Crisis” which was produced by a tiny indie company called Viacom — but yeah, I’m scraping because you don’t know about something), Paradise Now (a movie about suicide bombers) and A Mighty Heart (about the Daniel Pearl murder) among others that deal, explicitly, with terrorism and the nature of the jihad.
That you might not like their portrayal, or that they don’t show crazy/sinister Arabs like Rules of Engagement or True Lies or Black Sunday, all of which had the dastardly Arab evil you want or whatever. But you can’t say they don’t address the EXACT THING you’re talking about.
Again, this is news coverage, noy Hollywood.
But addressing your point, I’m not sure how bombings in London, Bali, Madrid, attempted in London (not to mention Lebanon, Iraq, Israel, Beslan) again constitute some media conspiracy to prop up George Bush.
You’re conflating actual events with propaganda like the Bushies use of “Al Queda” when talking about people killed in Iraq by US Soliders. The media passes along such claims, even though there is ZERO proof. Previously, these people were at least Iraqi insurgents. But then this would go into the whole “what is a terrorist” debate — one you claim to fight on your blog. The actual number of die hard evil Arab terrorists, as opposed to the Arab people at large, is vanishingly small. Why do you think Hollywood should overrepresent this?
No, I merely believe that Hollywood’s conscious scrubbing of purple elephant in the room is insulting to my intelligence.
Funny, since Hollywood hasn’t gotten many gay relationships right — and a lot of people in Hollywood are gay — you strive for accuracy on the global terrorism movement. Moreover, its doubly funny when you say this: And in cases like Comedy Central censoring South Park’s brief depiction of Mohommed, cowardly
Then you say this:BTW, your comments would be more effective if you cut back on the furious profanity.
So, to sum up your brilliant insight — the Comedy Channel is cowardly for their lack of profanity (by profaning something sacred to a billion people), but that because I’m profane because some asshole said “I probably busted a gut watching the Towers fall”, I’m not as effective.
To sum up your point: You’d prefer a bit more civility in your give and take, but the fucking Towelheads with their reverent embrace of their prophet shouldn’t be so sensitive.
Makes sense.
You’d prefer a bit more civility in your give and take, but the fucking Towelheads with their reverent embrace of their prophet shouldn’t be so sensitive.
Left by Jay B.
How morally relative, huh?
Norbiz, that’s cheating, holding him to a standard!
Hey, Billy-boy, this Fumento asshole said that we laughed when the Twin Towers fell. He’s a shitheel for saying so, and you’re a shitheel for defending him. Do you understand that, or do I need to use smaller words?
Admittedly, Nick J, I did chuckle a little when I had to pick a piece of charred flesh off the shoulder of a passerby…or maybe that was gagging…
Hollywood goes to laughable lengths to avoid making references to the global jihad
Aw, now you’ve gone and waked the sleeping giant English teacher:
Interesting. Your use of “the” in front of “global jihad” presumes that there is a single, unique “global jihad” that the average reader would immediately be able to identify without further context.
If you provide some evidence for this global jihad instead of treating it as a “given”, your actual point about Hollywood ignoring would have some chance at validity.
And the “don’t use profanity if you want your argument to be taken seriously” comment? Yeah, that same logic applies to “tell your audience they laughed at the deaths of 3000 people”, also. That’s a pretty profane statement, and it’s not one that can be easily dismissed. Honestly, the only appropriate response to that kind of argument is “Fuck off, asshole.”
So you see, the posters here are in fact giving Fumento’s argument all the consideration it deserves. If he wants to “engage people seriously”, he should stop being an asshole. Then, maybe, people will stop telling him to fuck off.
Dorothy, I think that I may have a substantial crush on you.
Possibly.
Wouldn’t want to be too “forward,” after all.
But you rawk.
I haven’t seen this place infested this badly by trolls in YEEEARS — Scott, honey, you know how to stir-up a hornet’s nest of dumbfucks, don’tcha darlin’.
Sorry that I haven’t been any help, but damn, if it doesn’t make for lovely bloodsport.
(Speaking as to the decapitation/mutilation/generally excellent bitch-slapping of the trolls, in re: bloodsport, not the lives lost on 9/11 or the even more lives that were permanently damaged in surviving it.)
Nitpick: It was “Coal Black an’ de Sebben Swarves”. I’ve actually seen it, at an offbeat-animation festival some three decades ago. Amazingly, Google found only one item, with a typo, on “Sebben Swarves” input.
God damn, but those are some good smackdowns. And, to repeat what several others have said (namely Roy at alicublog, who sent me here): It’s called the free market. If Hollywood isn’t making anti-Muslim, AllHailBush’sGreatWarOnTerror movies, it’s because the executives *don’t think they’ll be profitable.* Want to prove them wrong? Give Richard Mellon Scaife or “Reverend” Sun Myung Moon a call. I’m sure they’d be happy to fund your movie. You’ll probably only need $30-50 million dollars. (I’d tell you that the movie will also need to be *good* to make its money back, but I think I’d be wasting my breath.)
Clearly, I should visit this website more often.
Trust me folks, there’s a reason even the folks at Winds of Change had to kick Fumento to the curb.
The guy is not only nuts, but egomaniacal.
None of that may be difficult for you to process, but it was for me, as an insulated westerner who was raised in the safety of the US. I ask myself how people can be capable of such violence, and the answers do not come easy. The only conclusion I’m sure of is that some people are indeed “evil.”
Man, I’m sure glad I’m all sheltered in this safe and benevolent wonderland we call America, where senseless and random acts of violence and terror never, ever occur.
It must be so easy, intellectually, to live in a world where anyone who opposes you can be defined as classic examples of pure and illogical evil.
What are these “countless movies” he’s talking about? The only Hollywood movies of 1942 about WW2 I can only think of are Casablanca and the Donald Duck short, “Der Fuhrer’s Face”.
The only other one that comes to mind is Lubitsch’s To Be or Not to Be, which having been released in early ’42, must have been in production prior to Pearl Harbour. Besides that one and Chaplin’s The Great Dictator from 1940, Hollywood didn’t give a good goddamn about the war until the US entered it.
“What are these “countless movies” he’s talking about? The only Hollywood movies of 1942 about WW2 I can only think of are Casablanca and the Donald Duck short, “Der Fuhrer’s Face”.”
The inconcievable asshole is actually right about that little detail. Hollywood produced scads of movies about our glorious armed forces smiting the perfidious Nips. Nobody remembers 99 percent of them because they were terrible and progandistic. I’ve seen a few, like “Mary Jane,” about a bomber, that had some pretty good scenes of bombing the Japaneese fleet, although these guys in their B-17 hit more carriers than the Japanese actually had at the Battle of the Coral Sea. I assume these are the movies Fumento wants made.
I believe workign on these movies was St. Ronnie’s job during the war.
The funniest shit is that as part of the proganda offensive we made movies like “Storm Over Lenningrad” exatling our most excellent allies, whose makers were later denounced as commie bastards when times abruptly changed.
Were those films made in 1942, though?
The war prompted some interesting ones as well, such as the 1943 Hangmen Also Die, concerning the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich, and its aftermath, but I don’t think Fumento would dare mention it. It was co-written by Brecht and directed by Fritz Lang, not to mention that Heydrich’s character may be a bit too reminiscent of some of Fumento’s idols.
I hate to contradict David, but I, too, have seen the fabulously racist “Coal Black an’ de Sebben Dwarves,” about four times (it used to be a staple of Jim Engel and Chuck [I wanna say "Filia," but that seems wrong. a quick and dirty Googling suggests maybe "Charles A. Filius" might be who I'm thinking of here]‘s animation shows in 16mm at late ’70s Chicago Comicons). Su, there – Dwarves, bitches!
S’oh!
I kick Michael Fumento’s ass.
[...] After I blogged on the utter lack of anti-Islamist terrorist movies, the aptly-named “World o’ Crap” blog accused me of being a racist for pointing out that the good guy FBI deputy director in the latest Die Hard movie looked Arabic (presumably to reinforce that this was not an anti-Islamist movie) and noted the actor is from New Zealand. But: 1. How my saying he looked Arabic has anything to do with racism is unexplained. 2. Arabs are Caucasian. That’s my race. 3. The actor is an aborigine descendant, hence his dark skin. He actually PLAYED an Arab in the movie Three Kings. Anti-antiterrorism is alive and well in both Hollywood and the blogosphere. [...]