“Dr.” Chuck Baldwin is back under his own byline today, having gently but firmly reclaimed the bully pulpit from his son Timothy, who contributed last Sunday’s sermonette on states rights. Some readers, after digesting the essay in question, seem to have felt that Tim proved himself less an advocate for state sovereignty, and more a Robert Stacy McCain-style neo-Confederate, a charge that Baldwin the Lesser disputes, although he does admit that while most boys his age were putting up posters of Farrah Fawcett in their rooms, he was jerking off to an equestrian figurine of Nathan Bedford Forrest.
Speaking of R.S. McCain (no link, because I think most of what he has to say about politics was better expressed in reels 9 through 12 of Birth of a Nation), this ad was on his front page the last time I visited:
Speaking of R.S. McCain (no link, because I think most of what he has to say about politics was better expressed in reels 9 through 12 of Birth of a Nation), this ad was on his front page the last time I visited:
It doesn’t really have anything to do with today’s topic, I just thought he and his readership should be complimented on their refreshingly uneuphemistic approach to Republican mating rituals. Anyway, “Dr.” Baldwin is going on a dangerous expedition to discover and expose a long-buried, and perhaps deadly, secret — in many ways he’s like another heroic academic, Indiana Jones, except Indy’s doctorate was less fictional.
The Internet is abuzz with news about the construction of internment camps all across America.
True. Of course, the Internet is also abuzz with news about Salvia, the legal alternative to marijuana, which would be sweeping the nation right now if its name didn’t look at first glance like “saliva.”
Of course, “mainstream” media outlets refuse to touch the subject; or if they do, they pooh-pooh the story; they do what Glenn Beck recently did: try to debunk the story as fallacious and impugn people who speak of it as “conspiracy nuts.”
I’ve often wondered, can people like “Dr.” Baldwin and Glenn Beck call each other “conspiracy nuts” without giving or taking offense, the same way black people can address each other by the N-word?
The fact that the Becks, Hannitys, Limbaughs, and O’Reillys of the media circus refuse to deal with the construction of large numbers of internment camps does not make them disappear, however.
No, it’s the giant space-based mirrors which can selectively bend light waves that make them disappear.
For starters, all anyone need do to begin a serious investigation of the subject of internment camps is Google the phrase “FEMA Camps.”
It’s so easy, I don’t know why more people don’t conduct serious investigations like this! The first few hits you’ll get include a YouTube video by Alex Jones, a low-wattage talk radio host known for his conspiracy theories who says the FEMA camps are actually owned and operated by the New World Order; and a site called freedomfiles which claims FEMA maintains not only “Enslavement and Concentration Camps,” but a fleet of black helicopters — the purpose of which used to baffle me until I met a pilot who explained that black is a particularly slimming look for rotor blade aircraft.
There is more than enough evidence in that search engine alone to keep one busy with some in-depth private investigation of the subject for quite a while.
It’s true that “FEMA Camps” runs up about 163,000 hits on Google, and I haven’t privately investigated each one; but judging by the top search results, they all seem to be as fond of assertion as they are indifferent to evidence. Still, I’m not about to argue with a man who has two honorary degrees.
As people read my columns all across America…
Well…as one guy reads your column all across my desktop…
I have had numerous readers contact me, saying that they have personally witnessed the transportation of construction materials used for internment camps…
You can tell the materials aren’t for regular construction projects, because instead of oxy-acetylene welding rigs, the internment camp welders use oxy-Zyklon B.
…have actually worked in and around them, or have personally seen such camps.
They’ve also personally seen the true alien face of Obama’s brownshirts, but that’s just because they have those special welding goggles.
These eyewitness testimonies have come from very credible people, including law enforcement and military personnel, as well as airline pilots and construction workers.
And I personally can’t think of a more unimpeachable source. For instance, if you’re a woman walking past a construction site, and the hardhats whistle at you and vouchsafe that you’ve got “nice cans” and “a sweet caboose,” you know that assessment comes from a non-partisan, highly credible source.
Just a few weeks ago, I was aboard a cross-country flight when the passenger I was sitting next to (a total stranger) asked me to take a look out the window. He asked, “Do those look like internment camps to you?”
Now I make no claims to Bible scholarship, but even I know the Scriptures frown on false witness, so unless pastors are exempt from the rules on lying the same way cops are allowed to double park and run red lights, I hope that when the Reverend “Dr.” Baldwin dies, he does a better job of bullshitting Jesus.
We were flying over Colorado, over extreme wilderness terrain, and, yes, right in the middle of nowhere, the buildings and surrounding features that I saw sure looked like internment camps to me.
What a coincidence. I see the same thing in the moisture stains on our bathroom ceiling.
Furthermore, I have had military personnel tell me that many of the US military bases that have been recently “closed” are also being prepared as large-scale “holding areas.”
It’s true! The very same thing happened to the El Toro Marine Corps Air Base in Orange County, very close to where I grew up! I mean, technically it was turned into the nation’s largest municipal park, but the food court looks a lot like a concentration camp when the sun’s in your eyes.
[I]t is not a little disconcerting when the same federal government that is building these internment camps begins categorizing Christians, conservatives, people who support the Second Amendment, people who oppose abortion and homosexual marriage, people who oppose the North American Union and the New World Order, people who oppose the United Nations and illegal immigration, and people who voted for Ron Paul or Chuck Baldwin as “extremists,” or “potential dangerous militia members.”
Yeah. Listen, if the government plans to intern everyone who voted for Chuck Baldwin in the 2004 presidential election, a gulag archipelago won’t be necessary; they can all just sleep on my couch. It’s a pull-out.
Posted by scott on Tuesday, August 11th, 2009 at 11:23 pm.
32 Responses to “If Healthcare Doesn’t Kill You, Obama Still Has The Internment Camps”
Silly. The helicopters are black so that you know they work for Obama and the fascists at ACORN.
But you know, that story about seeing the actual camps out the window of a cross-country flight is troubling. I mean, what else could they possibly be, down there in the middle of Colorado and everything?
But you know, that story about seeing the actual camps out the window of a cross-country flight is troubling. I mean, what else could they possibly be, down there in the middle of Colorado and everything?
I’ve often wondered, can people like “Dr.” Baldwin and Glenn Beck call each other “conspiracy nuts” without giving or taking offense, the same way black people can address each other by the N-word?
No. No, we can’t. I personally believe that George HW Bush is behind the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan, and would actually kind of give him points for that if he were not such an obvious string-pulling Great Game-playing bastard who has clearly no interest in protecting the liberties of anyone who cannot do him substantial and substantive favors. I believe him to have been the driving force behind Iran-Contra, and getting his sons in various high offices through varying degrees of criminal activity. I believe him to have engaged in a good deal of skullduggery, including starting a number of wars his fingerprints weren’t actually found on, to have been responsible for the CIA’s crack-distribution entrepreneurship, to be the angel behind Judy Woodruff’s continuing and otherwise inexplicable career, to have run doppelgangers through the CIA, to help manipulate the banks through the Skull and Bones, to have tried to overthrow Castro on a few occasions, to continue to give Pat Robertson his talking points, and possibly to have given the go-ahead to at least one secret treaty with the interdimensional bug aliens that have turned up in the years since the Philadelphia Experiment. (I’m also a nuanced LIHOPper, and believe his fingerprints are there, too, which I know is the sort of admission that doesn’t make me look good here, but keep in mind I’m clinically paranoid.) I believe GHW Bush to generally be a very smart, Machiavellian individual, possibly approaching an amoral genius. (I also think GWB is not actually his biological son.) When the Russ Baker book came out, I thought he was being naive.
I am, as you would say, a full-on batshit conspiracy nut.
But I don’t believe GHW Bush was in any way involved in the assassination of JFK, and I say so when the subject comes up (which, it might surprise you how often it does). I consider the people who believe this to be conspiracy nuts, and believe you me, they do not like to be called that. It’s an invitation to a ninety minute lecture on dupes and useful idiots that can only be derailed by dragging them into a side discussion of the distinction between “disinformation” and “misinformation”.
I don’t care how fucking crazy you are, you’re not allowed to call conspiracy buffs crazy. Actual crazy people, sure. We throw that shit around all the time at each other. But conspiracy buffs? Not big on self-deprecation *or* bonding.
Also. The helicopters any serious conspiracy buff is worried about? Are powder blue. That’s the fuckin’ UN. Head for the hills!
No. No, we can’t. I personally believe that George HW Bush is behind the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan, and would actually kind of give him points for that if he were not such an obvious string-pulling Great Game-playing bastard who has clearly no interest in protecting the liberties of anyone who cannot do him substantial and substantive favors. I believe him to have been the driving force behind Iran-Contra, and getting his sons in various high offices through varying degrees of criminal activity. I believe him to have engaged in a good deal of skullduggery, including starting a number of wars his fingerprints weren’t actually found on, to have been responsible for the CIA’s crack-distribution entrepreneurship, to be the angel behind Judy Woodruff’s continuing and otherwise inexplicable career, to have run doppelgangers through the CIA, to help manipulate the banks through the Skull and Bones, to have tried to overthrow Castro on a few occasions, to continue to give Pat Robertson his talking points, and possibly to have given the go-ahead to at least one secret treaty with the interdimensional bug aliens that have turned up in the years since the Philadelphia Experiment. (I’m also a nuanced LIHOPper, and believe his fingerprints are there, too, which I know is the sort of admission that doesn’t make me look good here, but keep in mind I’m clinically paranoid.) I believe GHW Bush to generally be a very smart, Machiavellian individual, possibly approaching an amoral genius. (I also think GWB is not actually his biological son.) When the Russ Baker book came out, I thought he was being naive.
I am, as you would say, a full-on batshit conspiracy nut.
But I don’t believe GHW Bush was in any way involved in the assassination of JFK, and I say so when the subject comes up (which, it might surprise you how often it does). I consider the people who believe this to be conspiracy nuts, and believe you me, they do not like to be called that. It’s an invitation to a ninety minute lecture on dupes and useful idiots that can only be derailed by dragging them into a side discussion of the distinction between “disinformation” and “misinformation”.
I don’t care how fucking crazy you are, you’re not allowed to call conspiracy buffs crazy. Actual crazy people, sure. We throw that shit around all the time at each other. But conspiracy buffs? Not big on self-deprecation *or* bonding.
Also. The helicopters any serious conspiracy buff is worried about? Are powder blue. That’s the fuckin’ UN. Head for the hills!
I need clarification from somebody in the know:
1. Have all these many, many internment camps been built in the last seven months, or were they begun on W.’s watch?
2. Who is supposed to go into these camps?
Your help here will be appreciated.
1. Have all these many, many internment camps been built in the last seven months, or were they begun on W.’s watch?
2. Who is supposed to go into these camps?
Your help here will be appreciated.
After engaging in some in depth research on Google using Dr. Chuck’s tried and tested method of conducting empirical research, I believe that I have got to the bottom of this story about internment camps. What Dr. Chuck has overlooked is that the construction of these camps has been ordered by the illuminati (7 440 000 hits) whose obedient servant, the diabolical Obama (clearly a shape-shifting reptoid - 3020 hits)was transported here in a UFO (6 080 000 hits). This not only clarifies the matter of Obama’s hidden agenda, but also casts some light on the birther issue as well as the liberal preoccupation with illegal aliens.
Uh, actually, it depends on the nutjob. Even some conservanutjobs think GHWB built them together with the UN. I’m not kidding. Others will tell you Bill Clinton did it, or variations on that theme. Others will have you understand that GWB is actually a secret liberal who built them. And yes, apparently there’s some notion that the Obama people are ruthlessly efficient and have been building camps with the stimulus money so they can use them to keep your grandmother on ice until they turn her into Soylent Green.
More rational types, of course, simply blame this on International Bankers, Rootless Cosmopolitans, Secular Progressives, Reparations-Demanding Race-Hustlers, Urban Elites, the UN, the Trilateral Commission, FEMA, the State Department, INS/ICE, NASA, the World Bank, space aliens, the Antichrist, and Major League Baseball. Or some combination thereof.
My actual advice is not to go up to a nutjob and ask what he or she thinks on the subject, because if there’s one thing that characterizes the culturally paranoid other than random capitalization, it’s a supervillain-esque inability to keep from telling anyone–regardless of their potential to be An Informant–all about their theory. And then you’re there for the next three hours.
More rational types, of course, simply blame this on International Bankers, Rootless Cosmopolitans, Secular Progressives, Reparations-Demanding Race-Hustlers, Urban Elites, the UN, the Trilateral Commission, FEMA, the State Department, INS/ICE, NASA, the World Bank, space aliens, the Antichrist, and Major League Baseball. Or some combination thereof.
My actual advice is not to go up to a nutjob and ask what he or she thinks on the subject, because if there’s one thing that characterizes the culturally paranoid other than random capitalization, it’s a supervillain-esque inability to keep from telling anyone–regardless of their potential to be An Informant–all about their theory. And then you’re there for the next three hours.
Ffft, Bernoldus. Everybody knows the shape-shifting reptoid aliens can’t go in salt water without their shiftsuits shorting out. I demand you explain your theory in light of video of Obama swimming and surfing–in the ocean!
There’s a “lesser Baldwin” than Stephen. TWO, apparantly.
What I’d love to know, how the fuck you can SECRETLY put up even one building, let allone a bunch of them. The material and labor aloner would be hard to cover up. Not to mention the money and time required.
Also, how does this screwball know what internment camps look like? Especially when viewed above from a plane?
Finally: do people like this actually believe their own bullshit?
What I’d love to know, how the fuck you can SECRETLY put up even one building, let allone a bunch of them. The material and labor aloner would be hard to cover up. Not to mention the money and time required.
Also, how does this screwball know what internment camps look like? Especially when viewed above from a plane?
Finally: do people like this actually believe their own bullshit?
Also: how many typos can one person cram into a single posted comment?
D. Sidhe … what the … salt water …. (googles intently. Aha! Obama is obviously a member of the Naga (quotes wikipedia)which are reptilian beings said to live underground and interact with humans on the surface; these beings were said to have once lived on a continent in the Indian Ocean that sank beneath the waves.
That takes care of the salt-water problem, but does tend to blow a hole in my arrived here on a UFO thesis. Unless … of course we take into account the fact that the earth is hollow and is inhabited by Naga, the illuminati, Dr. Mike Adams and niche fetish pornographers.Please don’t ask me any more questions. Answering them gives me a fucking head-ache.
That takes care of the salt-water problem, but does tend to blow a hole in my arrived here on a UFO thesis. Unless … of course we take into account the fact that the earth is hollow and is inhabited by Naga, the illuminati, Dr. Mike Adams and niche fetish pornographers.Please don’t ask me any more questions. Answering them gives me a fucking head-ache.
Wow, you and Sadly, No! on the same topic! I feel like I’ve had my cake and eaten it too!
I wonder, with respect to the Guard ad, if Chuckie thought about how the Gitmo prisoners will be moved to the States and how posse comitatus prevents the army from actually guarding these folks (to quote Bush)?
I wonder, with respect to the Guard ad, if Chuckie thought about how the Gitmo prisoners will be moved to the States and how posse comitatus prevents the army from actually guarding these folks (to quote Bush)?
First of all, Salvia is hardly a legal alternative to marijuana. Salvia is highly hallucinogenic, while marijuana is quite sedative.
The concern about camps began under Bush. Some felt that his response to international terrorism was to lock down and surveil the American people - essentially removing liberties in order to protect them.
The FEMA camp story/myth is based on two things.
1. Since 9/11, and seemingly without the notice of most Americans, the federal government has assumed the authority to institute martial law, arrest a wide swath of dissidents (citizen and noncitizen alike), and detain people without legal or constitutional recourse in the event of “an emergency influx of immigrants in the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs.”
Beginning in 1999, the government has entered into a series of single-bid contracts with Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) to build detention camps at undisclosed locations within the United States. The government has also contracted with several companies to build thousands of railcars, some reportedly equipped with shackles, ostensibly to transport detainees.
According to diplomat and author Peter Dale Scott, the KBR contract is part of a Homeland Security plan titled ENDGAME, which sets as its goal the removal of “all removable aliens” and “potential terrorists.”
Fraud-busters such as Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Los Angeles, have complained about these contracts, saying that more taxpayer dollars should not go to taxpayer-gouging Halliburton. But the real question is: What kind of “new programs” require the construction and refurbishment of detention facilities in nearly every state of the union with the capacity to house perhaps millions of people?
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/04/ED5OUPQJ7.DTL#ixzz0Nyt7k5QP
2. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-645
SEC. 2. ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS.
(a) In General- In accordance with the requirements of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish not fewer than 6 national emergency centers on military installations.
(b) Purpose of National Emergency Centers- The purpose of a national emergency center shall be to use existing infrastructure–
(1) to provide temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster;
(2) to provide centralized locations for the purposes of training and ensuring the coordination of Federal, State, and local first responders;
(3) to provide centralized locations to improve the coordination of preparedness, response, and recovery efforts of government, private, and not-for-profit entities and faith-based organizations; and
(4) to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security.
SEC. 3. DESIGNATION OF MILITARY INSTALLATIONS AS NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS.
(a) In General- Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Defense, shall designate not fewer than 6 military installations as sites for the establishment of national emergency centers.
(b) Minimum Requirements- A site designated as a national emergency center shall be–
(1) capable of meeting for an extended period of time the housing, health, transportation, education, public works, humanitarian and other transition needs of a large number of individuals affected by an emergency or major disaster;
(2) environmentally safe and shall not pose a health risk to individuals who may use the center;
(3) capable of being scaled up or down to accommodate major disaster preparedness and response drills, operations, and procedures;
(4) capable of housing existing permanent structures necessary to meet training and first responders coordination requirements during nondisaster periods;
(5) capable of hosting the infrastructure necessary to rapidly adjust to temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance needs;
(6) required to consist of a complete operations command center, including 2 state-of-the art command and control centers that will comprise a 24/7 operations watch center as follows:
(A) one of the command and control centers shall be in full ready mode; and
(B) the other shall be used daily for training; and
(7) easily accessible at all times and be able to facilitate handicapped and medical facilities, including during an emergency or major disaster.
This is not to say that this is enough to get hysterical and paranoid. But the fear of these camps is not dreamt up out of the blue. If not for the ever-growing presence of government into what used to be considered our private lives (like our emails and telephone calls), the people who fear these camps probably would never even have noticed these developments.
The concern about camps began under Bush. Some felt that his response to international terrorism was to lock down and surveil the American people - essentially removing liberties in order to protect them.
The FEMA camp story/myth is based on two things.
1. Since 9/11, and seemingly without the notice of most Americans, the federal government has assumed the authority to institute martial law, arrest a wide swath of dissidents (citizen and noncitizen alike), and detain people without legal or constitutional recourse in the event of “an emergency influx of immigrants in the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs.”
Beginning in 1999, the government has entered into a series of single-bid contracts with Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) to build detention camps at undisclosed locations within the United States. The government has also contracted with several companies to build thousands of railcars, some reportedly equipped with shackles, ostensibly to transport detainees.
According to diplomat and author Peter Dale Scott, the KBR contract is part of a Homeland Security plan titled ENDGAME, which sets as its goal the removal of “all removable aliens” and “potential terrorists.”
Fraud-busters such as Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Los Angeles, have complained about these contracts, saying that more taxpayer dollars should not go to taxpayer-gouging Halliburton. But the real question is: What kind of “new programs” require the construction and refurbishment of detention facilities in nearly every state of the union with the capacity to house perhaps millions of people?
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/04/ED5OUPQJ7.DTL#ixzz0Nyt7k5QP
2. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-645
SEC. 2. ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS.
(a) In General- In accordance with the requirements of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish not fewer than 6 national emergency centers on military installations.
(b) Purpose of National Emergency Centers- The purpose of a national emergency center shall be to use existing infrastructure–
(1) to provide temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster;
(2) to provide centralized locations for the purposes of training and ensuring the coordination of Federal, State, and local first responders;
(3) to provide centralized locations to improve the coordination of preparedness, response, and recovery efforts of government, private, and not-for-profit entities and faith-based organizations; and
(4) to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security.
SEC. 3. DESIGNATION OF MILITARY INSTALLATIONS AS NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS.
(a) In General- Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Defense, shall designate not fewer than 6 military installations as sites for the establishment of national emergency centers.
(b) Minimum Requirements- A site designated as a national emergency center shall be–
(1) capable of meeting for an extended period of time the housing, health, transportation, education, public works, humanitarian and other transition needs of a large number of individuals affected by an emergency or major disaster;
(2) environmentally safe and shall not pose a health risk to individuals who may use the center;
(3) capable of being scaled up or down to accommodate major disaster preparedness and response drills, operations, and procedures;
(4) capable of housing existing permanent structures necessary to meet training and first responders coordination requirements during nondisaster periods;
(5) capable of hosting the infrastructure necessary to rapidly adjust to temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance needs;
(6) required to consist of a complete operations command center, including 2 state-of-the art command and control centers that will comprise a 24/7 operations watch center as follows:
(A) one of the command and control centers shall be in full ready mode; and
(B) the other shall be used daily for training; and
(7) easily accessible at all times and be able to facilitate handicapped and medical facilities, including during an emergency or major disaster.
This is not to say that this is enough to get hysterical and paranoid. But the fear of these camps is not dreamt up out of the blue. If not for the ever-growing presence of government into what used to be considered our private lives (like our emails and telephone calls), the people who fear these camps probably would never even have noticed these developments.
I have a cat named Nagi, I feel compelled to point out. Nagi is the female version of a Naga. I point this out because my cat Nagi isall black.
We’re through the looking glass here, people.
We’re through the looking glass here, people.
Damn. I had already sent in my application to be on the Obamacare Death Panel, but now I’m thinking I might rather be a guard at one of these internment centers.
Bernoldus, I almost misread “niche” as “nice”.
I guess it could be worse. I could have misread it as “quiche”.
(Still waiting for my new eyeglasses.)
I guess it could be worse. I could have misread it as “quiche”.
(Still waiting for my new eyeglasses.)
Just a few weeks ago, I was aboard a cross-country flight when the passenger I was sitting next to (a total stranger) asked me to take a look out the window. He asked, “Do those look like internment camps to you?”Cabdriver anecdotes the world over just facepalmed themselves.
We were flying over Colorado, over extreme wilderness terrain, and, yes, right in the middle of nowhere, the buildings and surrounding features that I saw sure looked like internment camps to me.
And out there, on the wing! There’s a monster! Tearing out the cables! WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!
And out there, on the wing! There’s a monster! Tearing out the cables! WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!
D. Sidhe:
I believe GHW Bush to generally be a very smart, Machiavellian individual, possibly approaching an amoral genius. (I also think GWB is not actually his biological son.)
Really? Even considering the strong family resemblance (esp. the close-set, evil-looking beady eyes)? Tell me more.
I believe GHW Bush to generally be a very smart, Machiavellian individual, possibly approaching an amoral genius. (I also think GWB is not actually his biological son.)
Really? Even considering the strong family resemblance (esp. the close-set, evil-looking beady eyes)? Tell me more.
Lu, this is where we get into the alien stuff. I should note that while I am medicated, I am not, apparently, adequately medicated. Which may be why I haven’t slept in three days and am considering getting into a serious discussion with Chuck (who I assume is not Chuck Baldwin, but I could be wrong) regarding what percentage of the FEMA Camp people were nuts in search of a freak-out and what percentage were minding their own business when they realized we were getting screwed. It’s worth a serious discussion, but probably not from me. My emergency kit is heavily tilted toward the possibility that zombies will turn up, or that the things I keep seeing in my mirror are real, or the increasingly-likely realization that if I continue to spend time with other human beings I’m going to flip out and maim someone for engaging in what sane people probably rationally view as just ordinary, ignorable, jackassery.
In other words, I’m aware that the root of whatever problem I’m freaking out about is probably me, and that while we as a society do have serious problems chances are my personality and my approach plots my participation in those solutions somewhere on the continuum between “useless” and “counterproductive”.
Yes, there are bureaucratic mechanisms which would allow the government to round us up and enslave us in FEMA-run camps while targeting your grandmother and your disabled child for death. But it’s more likely that your employer will make your almost-livable-wage job just attractive enough with health care you can almost afford for your child with Downs Syndrome who will be utterly uninsurable if you lose your job, only to lay you off just as you approach retirement or when your health care starts causing the insurer to raise premiums for your company, or when you have to take some time off to care for your child because the insurance policy is capped in ways that mean the *somebody* that has to care for your child is you.
And if you–Chuck Baldwin or Sarah Palin or random panicked person at a town hall meeting–don’t get that, and apply your outrage and protest and concern accordingly, you are probably either horribly insincere, or just going to make things worse as others actually work on the immediate problems.
It’s a matter of identifying whether what you’re most worried about is not only possible but likely, or whether it’s maybe just what the people who are causing the most likely scenario would rather have you worrying about.
It’s okay to be paranoid. But it’s a good idea to make sure others aren’t exploiting your paranoia.
In other words, I’m aware that the root of whatever problem I’m freaking out about is probably me, and that while we as a society do have serious problems chances are my personality and my approach plots my participation in those solutions somewhere on the continuum between “useless” and “counterproductive”.
Yes, there are bureaucratic mechanisms which would allow the government to round us up and enslave us in FEMA-run camps while targeting your grandmother and your disabled child for death. But it’s more likely that your employer will make your almost-livable-wage job just attractive enough with health care you can almost afford for your child with Downs Syndrome who will be utterly uninsurable if you lose your job, only to lay you off just as you approach retirement or when your health care starts causing the insurer to raise premiums for your company, or when you have to take some time off to care for your child because the insurance policy is capped in ways that mean the *somebody* that has to care for your child is you.
And if you–Chuck Baldwin or Sarah Palin or random panicked person at a town hall meeting–don’t get that, and apply your outrage and protest and concern accordingly, you are probably either horribly insincere, or just going to make things worse as others actually work on the immediate problems.
It’s a matter of identifying whether what you’re most worried about is not only possible but likely, or whether it’s maybe just what the people who are causing the most likely scenario would rather have you worrying about.
It’s okay to be paranoid. But it’s a good idea to make sure others aren’t exploiting your paranoia.
As an aside to Chuck, what’s your views on the differences between disinformation vs misinformation re: talk about Obama wanting to kill Sarah Palin’s grandmother?
Just askin’….
Just askin’….
Intermittent camps full of incontinent people?
Maybe I didn’t stay away long enough…
Maybe I didn’t stay away long enough…
What a coincidence. I see the same thing in the moisture stains on our bathroom ceiling.
DAMN, SCOTT! That’s an impressive trajectory!
…heh heh heh…
If they saw “holding camps” in Colorado, THEY WERE PROBABLY FLYING OVER SUPERMAX, the same federally-run SCARIEST PLACE ON EARTH prison that held their hero, TIMOTHY MCVEIGH before he got the needle.
PAY ATTENTION HERE, DOC: I find it highly interesting that these are the same Darth-Cheney-suckling FUCKTARDS who DENIED the construction of HALLIBURTON-SUBCONTRACTED “CAMPS” when Dumbya sat upon the throne. What, have the veils suddenly been lifted from their jacked eyes and they can only “see” that shit now that Darth has returned to his basement?
And D.Sidhe, I agree with everything in your first big paragraph up there about GHW Bush, but I don’t fear the U.N. nearly as much as I fear Halliburton, Bechtel, The Shaw Group, and the oil companies. Isn’t it convenient that his CIA buddies/trainees have ensured that he’s getting the same chemically-induced “Alzheimer’s” as Ronnie Ray-Gun, so that he can NEVER, EVERbe forced to SPEAK THE TRUTH ABOUT ANY OF IT? That’s why he started breaking-down in tears, whilst publicly speaking, to the point where they wouldn’t LET him out in public anymore… Just as the chemicals start to gain ground, itty-bitty portions of TRUTH start to leak out, and that’s why Big Georgie started to weep… But he won’t be weeping, talking, or gesturing wildly to communicate ANYTHING annnnyyymore.
(Side note: Mozilla’s lexicon does not include “Halliburton,” but leads you to “HALLUCINATION,” and when you say, “itty,” it leads you to TITTY. Suuuubbbttttlllllle.)
Suffice it to say that those who are JUST NOW freaking the fuck out about GWBush’s/Darth Cheney’s “camps” are WAAAAYYYYYY the fuck late to the party. What ought to scare them is that none of this shit has been called to a halt, and that the aforementioned international-conglomerate corporations are STILL being paid for this shit. THAT oughta piss-off the town-hall-meeting-hissy-fit morons off WAY the fuck more than something as logical as HEALTHCARE.
DAMN, SCOTT! That’s an impressive trajectory!
…heh heh heh…
If they saw “holding camps” in Colorado, THEY WERE PROBABLY FLYING OVER SUPERMAX, the same federally-run SCARIEST PLACE ON EARTH prison that held their hero, TIMOTHY MCVEIGH before he got the needle.
PAY ATTENTION HERE, DOC: I find it highly interesting that these are the same Darth-Cheney-suckling FUCKTARDS who DENIED the construction of HALLIBURTON-SUBCONTRACTED “CAMPS” when Dumbya sat upon the throne. What, have the veils suddenly been lifted from their jacked eyes and they can only “see” that shit now that Darth has returned to his basement?
And D.Sidhe, I agree with everything in your first big paragraph up there about GHW Bush, but I don’t fear the U.N. nearly as much as I fear Halliburton, Bechtel, The Shaw Group, and the oil companies. Isn’t it convenient that his CIA buddies/trainees have ensured that he’s getting the same chemically-induced “Alzheimer’s” as Ronnie Ray-Gun, so that he can NEVER, EVERbe forced to SPEAK THE TRUTH ABOUT ANY OF IT? That’s why he started breaking-down in tears, whilst publicly speaking, to the point where they wouldn’t LET him out in public anymore… Just as the chemicals start to gain ground, itty-bitty portions of TRUTH start to leak out, and that’s why Big Georgie started to weep… But he won’t be weeping, talking, or gesturing wildly to communicate ANYTHING annnnyyymore.
(Side note: Mozilla’s lexicon does not include “Halliburton,” but leads you to “HALLUCINATION,” and when you say, “itty,” it leads you to TITTY. Suuuubbbttttlllllle.)
Suffice it to say that those who are JUST NOW freaking the fuck out about GWBush’s/Darth Cheney’s “camps” are WAAAAYYYYYY the fuck late to the party. What ought to scare them is that none of this shit has been called to a halt, and that the aforementioned international-conglomerate corporations are STILL being paid for this shit. THAT oughta piss-off the town-hall-meeting-hissy-fit morons off WAY the fuck more than something as logical as HEALTHCARE.
Hey now. Where are these camps? I’ll need some shelter when I can’t pay my rent anymore. Does it include transportation?
The Internet is abuzz with news about the construction of internment camps all across America.
Oh Great Gazzogle, tell me what’s important
about 164,000 for “fema camps”.
about 466,000 for “latex fetish”.
Oh, thank you Great Gazzole for reaffirming my faith in humanity. . .
Oh Great Gazzogle, tell me what’s important
about 164,000 for “fema camps”.
about 466,000 for “latex fetish”.
Oh, thank you Great Gazzole for reaffirming my faith in humanity. . .
The concern about camps began under Bush. Some felt that his response to international terrorism was to lock down and surveil the American people - essentially removing liberties in order to protect them.
Where would they get wacky ideas like that? Those kooks will believe anything!
Seriously, though, that’s what I don’t get about “Doc” Baldwin’s approach here; why the hell would FEMA be running the concentration camps?
Baldwin talks about the stuff the mainstream media won’t tell you, but what about the stuff they will?
I mean, you’ve got the Jose Padilla case, where the President asserts that he has the authority to suspend an American citizen’s constitutional rights on the basis of evidence so flimsy that it can’t support a trial, let alone a conviction. That that happened is just an undeniable fact that even the most pro-establishment square would have to acknowledge.
Or look at the Bush administration’s warrantless wiretapping program, which started out so egregious that motherfucking John Ashcroft threatened to resign if it continued. To my knowledge we still don’t know what this egregiously illegal program entailed.
Not to mention torture, extraordinary rendition, and ICE imprisoning children.
Just by reading the morning paper you can find indisputable facts that paint the federal government as a terrifyingly authoritarian institution with almost no checks on its power. Go into more speculative but still credible areas (Like theories about exactly HOW warrantless wiretapping worked) and you can get a picture that is somehow even worse.
If “Doc” Baldwin had said,
“Given the federal government’s willingness to imprison people on almost no evidence, their assertion that they can suspend the constitutional rights of American citizens, and their secretive surveillance programs, couldn’t they be gearing up for a much more massive series of arrests?”
I’d still say that that’s really really unlikely, but it wouldn’t be, you know, crazy.
But no, there’s some sort of bizarre, inexplicable need to drag the North American Union and the NWO (weren’t those the factions in Command & Conquer? [Alternate joke: I know the nWo was really bad for WCW, but it’s been years now. Let it go.]) into things, to re-invent the authoritarian wheel. And, why?
Well, there’s a great part of Baldwin’s article Scott didn’t quote, which answers the question for me, at least in this particular case:
“Some suggest that these facilities are being prepared for large numbers of illegal immigrants. This seems extremely doubtful, however, considering the propensity of the federal government to (1) do next to nothing to seriously curtail the flood of illegal aliens into America, (2) do virtually nothing to apprehend illegals known to be in the US, and (3) do everything it can to facilitate the release of those illegals incarcerated by State and local authorities.To think that the federal government intends to place thousands of illegal aliens in internment camps borders on lunacy.”(Emphasis mine)
Interning immigrants? Lunacy! It’s much more likely that they’d send Republicans to the ovens!
Gee, I wonder who is served by people stoking right wing fury at illegal immigrants and resentment over culture war issues?
I think we need to change the saying to “Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean you aren’t still working for the Illuminati.”
Where would they get wacky ideas like that? Those kooks will believe anything!
Seriously, though, that’s what I don’t get about “Doc” Baldwin’s approach here; why the hell would FEMA be running the concentration camps?
Baldwin talks about the stuff the mainstream media won’t tell you, but what about the stuff they will?
I mean, you’ve got the Jose Padilla case, where the President asserts that he has the authority to suspend an American citizen’s constitutional rights on the basis of evidence so flimsy that it can’t support a trial, let alone a conviction. That that happened is just an undeniable fact that even the most pro-establishment square would have to acknowledge.
Or look at the Bush administration’s warrantless wiretapping program, which started out so egregious that motherfucking John Ashcroft threatened to resign if it continued. To my knowledge we still don’t know what this egregiously illegal program entailed.
Not to mention torture, extraordinary rendition, and ICE imprisoning children.
Just by reading the morning paper you can find indisputable facts that paint the federal government as a terrifyingly authoritarian institution with almost no checks on its power. Go into more speculative but still credible areas (Like theories about exactly HOW warrantless wiretapping worked) and you can get a picture that is somehow even worse.
If “Doc” Baldwin had said,
“Given the federal government’s willingness to imprison people on almost no evidence, their assertion that they can suspend the constitutional rights of American citizens, and their secretive surveillance programs, couldn’t they be gearing up for a much more massive series of arrests?”
I’d still say that that’s really really unlikely, but it wouldn’t be, you know, crazy.
But no, there’s some sort of bizarre, inexplicable need to drag the North American Union and the NWO (weren’t those the factions in Command & Conquer? [Alternate joke: I know the nWo was really bad for WCW, but it’s been years now. Let it go.]) into things, to re-invent the authoritarian wheel. And, why?
Well, there’s a great part of Baldwin’s article Scott didn’t quote, which answers the question for me, at least in this particular case:
“Some suggest that these facilities are being prepared for large numbers of illegal immigrants. This seems extremely doubtful, however, considering the propensity of the federal government to (1) do next to nothing to seriously curtail the flood of illegal aliens into America, (2) do virtually nothing to apprehend illegals known to be in the US, and (3) do everything it can to facilitate the release of those illegals incarcerated by State and local authorities.To think that the federal government intends to place thousands of illegal aliens in internment camps borders on lunacy.”(Emphasis mine)
Interning immigrants? Lunacy! It’s much more likely that they’d send Republicans to the ovens!
Gee, I wonder who is served by people stoking right wing fury at illegal immigrants and resentment over culture war issues?
I think we need to change the saying to “Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean you aren’t still working for the Illuminati.”
You are unaware of the real problem this represents. Are you familiar with Pamela R. Schuffert? She has this to say at her website:
“You are about to encounter reports that often defy belief….the manufacture and importing of modern guillotines into America since the 1970’s and distributed to military bases nationwide for the beheading of NWO resisters….”
Deal with it. This is serious. As soon as I can confirm my suspicions that several abandoned Chrysler plants are even now being converted to produce tumbrils, I’m heading for Texas.
“You are about to encounter reports that often defy belief….the manufacture and importing of modern guillotines into America since the 1970’s and distributed to military bases nationwide for the beheading of NWO resisters….”
Deal with it. This is serious. As soon as I can confirm my suspicions that several abandoned Chrysler plants are even now being converted to produce tumbrils, I’m heading for Texas.
Bill S., my typo … it was actually meant to read ‘quiche fetish pornography’ ….
FEMA runs the camps because FEMA has the most obvious mechanism for rounding people up and putting people there: it’s a federal emergency. But NASA and ICE and probably Homeland Security have mechanisms for doing so also, and the President has all that expanded, unchecked executive power, and the military has big guns and is trained to obey orders, and Fourthbranch probably has superpowers or does that only apply when it’s Dick Cheney?
FEMA gets namechecked out of laziness, I’m afraid.
FEMA gets namechecked out of laziness, I’m afraid.
FEMA runs the camps because FEMA has the most obvious mechanism for rounding people up and putting people there: it’s a federal emergency.
Like, say, widespread coastal flooding because of global climate change, or a supervolcano like Yellowstone going kablooey without warning, or a biochemical attack on a major metropolitan area…
All of these would require immediate evacuation and therefore sheltering of thousands of people.
Like, say, widespread coastal flooding because of global climate change, or a supervolcano like Yellowstone going kablooey without warning, or a biochemical attack on a major metropolitan area…
All of these would require immediate evacuation and therefore sheltering of thousands of people.
So FEMA’s going to handle rounding everybody up and herding us into camps? Like they managed to get everyone to safety after Katrina? Suddenly I feel SOOOOO much safer. They may manage to pick up 3 or 4 people…
So FEMA’s going to handle rounding everybody up and herding us into camps? Like they managed to get everyone to safety after Katrina?
You would think this would be as evident to the nutbags on the right, but remember, THEY thought Bush did a GOOD job on Katrina…
You would think this would be as evident to the nutbags on the right, but remember, THEY thought Bush did a GOOD job on Katrina…
To the REICH-wing, dear heart, genocide against majority African-American, majority below-poverty-level pedestrians who were left without public transport ON PURPOSE — that is the IDEAL “final solution.”
They stood in front of THEIR big-screen TVs and CHEERED as people drowned in their front yards, their living rooms, their attics.
That’s the difference between us and them — it’s not so much that they’re DUMBASSES as it is that they are HEARTLESS, SOULLESS, UTTER DOG-SUCKING MOTHERFUCKING *BASTARDS*. Who else would LOOK UP TO DARTH CHENEY???
BTW, Actor, you never did answer me as to how you wound-up with TWO buzzard-impacts in BOTH windshields.
They stood in front of THEIR big-screen TVs and CHEERED as people drowned in their front yards, their living rooms, their attics.
That’s the difference between us and them — it’s not so much that they’re DUMBASSES as it is that they are HEARTLESS, SOULLESS, UTTER DOG-SUCKING MOTHERFUCKING *BASTARDS*. Who else would LOOK UP TO DARTH CHENEY???
BTW, Actor, you never did answer me as to how you wound-up with TWO buzzard-impacts in BOTH windshields.
Oh, I was flocked.
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